Chicago cops fatally shoot kidnapper… You Decide

Posted by on September 11, 2019 1:57 am
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Bodycam Shows Chicago Police Officer Shooting Kidnapper

 

The Civilian Office of Police Accountability released video Monday of a Chicago police officer fatally shooting a suspected kidnapper on the Northwest Side.  After partially entering the room, the police officer yells, “Don’t move. Chicago police. Don’t move,” the video shows. The suspect, reclined on the sofa, leans forward, yells something inaudible and begins to turn over. As the suspect places his hand near an apparent handgun on the edge of the sofa, the officer lets off several shots, and the suspect falls to the ground. He died later at Illinois Masonic Medical Center, police said.

 

Ephraim Eaddy, a COPA spokesman, said the investigation into the officer’s actions is ongoing. The suspected kidnapper, 42-year-old Luis E. Vasquez, had allegedly carjacked two people the night before in the west suburbs, police have said. He drove the man and woman — both in their 40s — to the 6200 block of West Grand Avenue and held them against their will inside an apartment, police said.

 

The officer who fired the shots was placed on 30-day desk duty, per protocol, police said. COPA, which investigates shootings involving Chicago police officers, is required to release video relevant to an investigation within 60 days of the incident.

 

 

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DJ Snyder
DJ Snyder

If the policeman thought the suspect was reaching for a gun, then the shooting was justified. Full stop.

OldSaltUSNR
OldSaltUSNR

Good shoot. Horrible audio.

Oscar
Oscar

Really? I watched it closely, paused it many times I can’t see a gun anywhere. How many times did he have to shoot him as he keeps yelling don’t move? Could you hold still while being shot full of holes? He was pleading there for a moment.

Gardenstateed
Gardenstateed

Until the officers clip was empty.

Grey Ghost
Grey Ghost

magazine

old white guy
old white guy

who cares, we know what was meant, the gun was empty.

DinDoNuffin
DinDoNuffin

perhaps you and DiFi (D, CA), the renowned firearms and assault weapon expert, can get together to figure out how many bullets a clip holds?

mike gino
mike gino

magazine

Smitty
Smitty

Magazine

Edited: clearly I was not the first to post this thought. Lol

OldSaltUSNR
OldSaltUSNR

Say, for example, that you’re a cop. Your life is flashing before your eyes. In response to your explicit instructions not to move, you see the perp roll over and lunge for any object that the cop believes is a handgun. Do you wait, give the perp that fraction of a second to grab that gun and fire, or do you …. protect yourself, and keep your promise to your family to come home safely.

That fact that you “can’t see a gun anywhere” via a tape, is irrelevant to the facts of the situation. The fact that he was shot multiple times, until he stopped moving, is also irrelevant. Your feelings about his “pleading” are irrelevant. How many gun fights have you been in? Do you know how quickly a perp can grab a gun and put a round on target within an eight foot distance, without really, even aiming? A split second, and the cop is down, probably dead, and then other innocents are at risk.

The cop was placed in a position where he had to defend himself to arrest the perp, who didn’t want to be arrested, who resisted the explicit instructions by the officer. “You don’t get to do that”, is the operative concept here. I accept that the perp was reaching for a weapon, because that’s consistent with what I saw in the video.

It’s a whole different situation, as compared to say, Federal and State agents ambushing a truck with six, peaceful civilians, heading towards a schedule meeting with a local Sheriff, driving them into a snow bank, firing on them as one excited the vehicle with his hands in the air, then executing him, shooting him in the back, and then planting a stolen 9MM handgun on him, a gun he never carried, a gun “stolen” in the same NW location as the FBI field office, almost the same city. This shoot, wasn’t that.

This was a good shoot.

PJ
PJ

I get your point, but you been watching to many movies. This guy was not about to rise from the dead. When he was completely incompacitated do you need to keep shooting him up. That was over the top! I could never live with myself if I did what this cop did!

Craig
Craig

I don’t know what you back ground is, but it appears to me you have never dealt with a person was on PCP, bath salts, any concoction of chemicals, day 6 of no sleep because of a meth bender, or someone who just flat out hates cops. Sometimes the bullet is the answer, and yes I have dealt with the type of people listed above.

Coalburner
Coalburner

That is why you should never get in a gunfight, you will be dead.

Dornan
Dornan

I think he meant don’t move until I am done shooting you!

Jody Wolfe
Jody Wolfe

Hahahaaa

Coalburner
Coalburner

He was a kidnapper, who was going to get namby pamby court treatment especially if he molested some kid, kids! Best that he went for a gun. The officer most likely saved a lot of people from misery.

Dillard
Dillard

Really? It is clearly on the couch and when he gets up it is in his hand.

https://youtu.be/IcftqD8oCFU?t=11

Jb
Jb

How about the guy not kidnap people and he would still be alive.

Jb
Jb

Lol @ those who vote thumbs down. Pussies

Craig
Craig

I had a similar thought.

Smitty
Smitty

“Don’t move” means don’t move…especially if you attempt to grab a weapon.

Moose
Moose

Are you an illegals alien Oscar ?

scott worden
scott worden

Not sure how officers are taught but as a CCW permit holder, I’ve been taught to shoot until the threat stops. If that takes 2 shots or 10 if the perp is still threatening so be it. I think some people here think that just because a bad guy has been shot that they will stop being aggressive. There has been drugged up guys been shot full of holes and they keep right on going. Not to mention that there are physiological effects that come into play for the LEO. I’ve read that police involved in a shooting is not suppose to say a word about it to investigators for 3 days. IMO, if this perp was not guilty of anything, then he would have followed the LEO’s command to don’t move. The fact that he jumped up tells me he was trying to get his hands on his weapon. Don’t move means just that…Don’t move!

Biff Steele
Biff Steele

Play it in slow mo (.25) and you can see the weapon on the couch to his left. It looked like a good shot to me.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

Really? What do you think he was reaching for PRIOR to being shot, AFTER being told not to move? Some donuts for the police? The officer stopped shooting when the bonehead quit moving. Moral of the story? LISTEN TO THE POLICE.

WiZ
WiZ

Oscar, Set the playback speed of the vid to 0.25 and you clearly see the gun on the edge of the couch. Between the 10sec and 11 sec mark, you see the perp’s left hand grab the gun as he rolls to the floor, most likely to keep rolling an come up shooting at the cop. Because YouTube vids doesn’t show 1/10 or 1/00 sec. of time, you can still quickly click to stop the vid, and while doing this at 0.25 speed, you see the outline of the weapon just before the clock turns to 11 sec. You will see the perp has gripped the gun upside down (good thing) with his left hand. This is clearly justified, the cop did exactly what he should have done.

BeenThere
BeenThere

The gun was the black object on the edge of the couch as the man rolled over and picked it up. Really? Look again.

archey
archey

Hey Oscar, ever had someone shoot at you????
You don’t get but half a second to defend yourself….

bob
bob

I didn’t see a gun either.. and if the guy was sleeping why not sneak up on him.

AZ Knight
AZ Knight

Bad guy gun is on the couch next to him. As the Officer partially enters the room (near beginning of clip), you can see it.
Keep in mind the cameras are Never as Clear as the Human Eye is in these situations.

It’s also apparent you’ve never faced such a situation.
My situation, years ago; I could likely pass a polygraph that I fired only four or five. Reality was, I fired eight.

Yeafaq2
Yeafaq2

Really ? I also watched it closely AND I listened to it closely and the cop screamed at him “DON’T MOVE”!!!. He moved.

wethepep
wethepep

you need to watch again, the officer picks up the kidnapper’s gun from floor, I watched it once…

Coalburner
Coalburner

You must be a criminal or a “please let the criminal kidnapper shoot me Libtard”.

BS titles by the mile2
BS titles by the mile2

All you need to see is the cop’s sleeve tattoo to know he has poor judgment. Tattoos denote trailer trash scum.
That said, a kidnapper needs to be sent to god for judgement as soon as possible.

RandyWeaverLives
RandyWeaverLives

As Comey and McCabe, sanctuary sherrifs, etc. have taught us, trust the cops!

H. Bowman
H. Bowman

These are actual cops. Those you mentioned, Comey, etc. are scumbag criminals, seditionists and traitors.

ROD STEVENS
ROD STEVENS

WHATS with all this “FULL STOP” b.s. going around these days?? USE A “PERIOD” IT MEANS THE SAME THING

Snoopy Navarro
Snoopy Navarro

Canucks and Brits use it a lot. It predates the period which evolved in the 16th century. Full stop is actually a punctuation symbol and shouldn’t be used to declare the end of a sentence verbally or written. Use a period. It’ll save you time.

blink
blink

A full stop is a landing that results in the aircraft exiting off the runway rather than executing a touch and go.

Deez Nuts
Deez Nuts

Sad we have more strict ROE for our military then the PDs

Dillard
Dillard

Stop the video, you can clearly see as he gets up he grabs the gun.

https://youtu.be/IcftqD8oCFU?t=11

Chris P Bacon
Chris P Bacon

Save the taxpayers a few bucks

tymwltl
tymwltl

YEP, we don’t need dead cops but the world would be a better place with dead bad guys.

Snoopy Navarro
Snoopy Navarro

Ummm…the guy was told NOT to move. He had a weapon. So it was a clean kill.

Fred
Fred

When screaming at a sleeping guy, one might expect that he’ll move no matter what you’re screaming.

morey
morey

Couch potatoes bake faster with a few holes punched in them.

Matthew J
Matthew J

LOL!!

tymwltl
tymwltl

The best. 5 stars.

KAG
KAG

Can we put some bacon on that potato?

My bad, we already did.

Bacon: 1
Potato: 0

Duster Knuckless
Duster Knuckless

Civilians who think they know best should apply for ‘Use of Force’ training scenarios, ‘shoot/don’t shoot drills, using simunitions. Simunitions are small plastic bullets filled with paint. They hurt. Even a simple expired registration traffic stop becomes a terrifying proposition of “what if that driver has a gun and wants to kill me?” Civilians can not walk in the shoes of the police, but they can educate themselves on what a split second, life or death decision is.

Me
Me

And you get two down votes for telling it like it is. People are unbelievable.

Matt
Matt

Sad that people downvoted the concept of “learn what the f*** you are talking about.” I guess they are cheerleaders for ignorance.

Juan
Juan

Cops ARE civilians. Jeez. They are not soldiers.

2smartforlibs
2smartforlibs

When I was a kid an old mn told me never to do anything to aggravate the guy with the gun.

RandyWeaverLives
RandyWeaverLives

Like wake up startled?

Me
Me

And reach for a nearby firearm after car jacking and kidnapping two people.

Yeah.

Seabee
Seabee

Exactly Randy!
I’m too pissed to formulate a coherent response to the other a-holes(not you and not that this was 100% bad shoot, the video sucks) but what the hell? Ever have a room mate or your young kids scare the sheet out a you for laughs? You f-n jump, run, and scream n all kinds of sheet. Jesus people! Old salt how many (your dumb Ass question) “gun fights” you been in tuff guy? Navy Officer right? Meaning never carred a weapon in combat, all your gun fights were by proxy. How many times on this site do I and others have to explain that…fuk the LEO’s promise to his family to come home, but I pray he does. He has LESS of a right than a SUSPECT that is not imminently committing a violent crime and is PRESUMED innocent, “to go home alive”.
That is the whole point of the 2nd, 4th, 14th etc. It was a protection against our Government, army/police acting like King George III…read some history people.

Me
Me

I sure have had people scare me before. I have never reached for a conveniently nearby and unholstered pistol while the person “scaring me” was yelling Police and don’t move.

Fred
Fred

Bad guys could never yell, “Police!” Yeah, they have too much honor.

Me
Me

So what exactly would you like the good guys to yell to identify themselves? Pretty please, abracadabra, or we are the real police?

Moose
Moose

A few years ago out here in south Dakota a girls boyfriend who was a meth head was sleeping on the couch . The girls father woke him up . Said meth head came up firing . Killed the girls father right in front of her . Do you think the guy on the couch may be a drug user ? Yeah , me too.

RandyWeaverLives
RandyWeaverLives

Pausing the video, I see about 5 shots in the back, after already being shot multiple times and falling prone face down. Is there a better alternative than walking into a guys living room as he lounges on the couch and blow him away? We do not know he is the perp, we do not know the extent of his involvement. Finally, if the perp, who I am sure was not a good guy, was black, would they instead have been nervous of media heat and being politically fired for the same shooting, thus letting the black perp live to go on to commit more crimes?

Blue Lives Matter
Blue Lives Matter

Incorrect, they already knew he was a kidnapping suspect.

OldSaltUSNR
OldSaltUSNR

Well, he could have been innocent, and they could have gotten the wrong guy. However, when a uniformed officer walks into your den, points a gun at you, and tells you not to move, the correct response is NOT lunging for your nearby weapon, unless you’re doing a “suicide by cop” thingy. You can sort out why he entered your house, whether or not it was with a warrant, and unfortunately, in this day and age, your Constitutional rights simply allow you to bankrupt yourself trying to fight a dirty, usually Marxist-Democrat prosecutor. However, drawing on the officer is not going to go well for you.

The only way this is a “bad shoot” is if the officer went in without probable cause, or a warrant. However, given the fact set above, and the video, it’s a justified shoot by the officer.

Seabee
Seabee

Old…Wrong again on the actions of the POSSIBLE perp. Science is replicating with a set of inputs and consistantly receiving the same output. Most of these “no-knocks” have the same “output”. Guilty and innocent people Do not react well to groups of people battering down their doors, screaming unintelligible words, with 800 lumins of “surefire” in their eyes, shooting their dogs and terrorising kids. (ok not in this case but I’m arguing principle/procesures) Do an experiment, get a home or hotel in a bad neighborhood for a friend, don’t tell him why. Give him a weapon (wax rounds) to protect himself from the local MS13 in that neighborhood.. Have him watch golf and when he starts to doze off you burst in the door sceaming all kinds of sh1t and see how that works out for ya’ll!
I’ve done level 4 training. The LEO’s in my class never had before, not even close and it is an eye opener. Only the best should be doing no knocks. So why are average untrained street cops doing this work? For that matter why are none of these people taught the bill of rights? Only taught they have the up most right to go home alive when they DONT.
When we joined the Navy and in my case Army also, the government did not guarantee us “to come home alive” to our families. Of course our ROE towards combatants should be WAY less as the combatants are not covered by our Constitution, than ROE for U.S. LEO’s against U.S. citizens.
AGAIN:
The constitution asserts/expresses the inalienable right of the PRESUMED innocent people, under the jurisdiction of the USA to life, one more time, LIFE, as well as the right to pursue liberty.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

tldr

Seabee
Seabee

DID NOT!!! Expain how the LEO POSITIVELY identified him in .75 seconds? But could identify a startled person as a threat, gun or not? No Knocks are killing innocent people, kids and dogs all across this country. Not that is true in this case but it shows the idiocy and increased deaths attributed to “no knocks”.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

Listen to the police and quit making bogus lies to justify poor behavior.

John German
John German

When the suspect reaches for his gun after being told not to move there is no better alternative.

Me
Me

I also saw several shots in the back…. it is called adrenaline. Most humans have it and when it really kicks in during a fight or flight situation, watch out.

Hermione
Hermione

If it were me, and someone was going for or had a gun, and I was in danger of being shot or killed, I’d keep shooting until the guy was down and out. Would probably empty my whole magazine into him (especially since a lot of your rounds will miss due to being under stress). What else do you do when you are in a terrified state of mind and your life is at risk?! You destroy your target so that it can’t hurt you. Otherwise, you become a dead officer, husband, father, son, brother, and friend to many people.

OldSaltUSNR
OldSaltUSNR

The perp, even though wounded, can, in fact, grab his weapon, turn, and kill the officer. Once it’s “game on”, the officer will continue to fire as long as the perp is moving. That’s how this thingy works, unfortunately. Looks brutal, but the alternative, i.e. an police officer’s funeral, a widowed wife with children, is also brutal.

Old Crow
Old Crow

Not so long ago revolvers were the only option. Six pulls on the trigger on a revolver is a bit different then 15 on a semi automatic. About the same time law enforcement started the transition the aclu lobbied to stop having people committed…is there a correlation?

Seabee
Seabee

See my response to you other post. Same perspective. Thanks.

guest
guest

if you pause the video after they shot him as he kicks the couch away none of those look like a gun they all are square like a phone and some remotes. It also looked like they startled him as he woke him up screaming dont move and then just dumped rounds into him. Not saying he didnt do it, but they gave him no time to comply before shooting him.

RandyWeaverLives
RandyWeaverLives

Completely agree. This could be us deplorables, and that could be the Clintonite key stone cops blowing us away in the same manner. The guy likely is the perp, he likely is a scumbag, but this video gives no reason to murder the man. There was never proof of the gun, the perp was shot many times in the back after he fell.
Take the backstory away. The guy is startled awake on a couch and blown away. If the reason for the murder is that a gun was somewhere in the vicinity, then they could probably walk in all of our homes while we are sleeping and blow us away, because we all would have a weapon within our vicinity I would think.
And what if, just what if, it was the 10 percent chance they had the wrong guy even, you wake up to some overzealous gleep sounding cop firing at you…
If this is acceptable, fine, for a car jacking “Adult kidnap”, but we must fairly enforce this new way of business via EVERY SINGLE COP….Every black suspect, not convicted, suspect, from now on the cops must walk into their living rooms while they sleep and blow them away. It is the rule now. And, since there are hundreds of car jackings weekly (daily?) in this dirty cop town, there should just be hundreds of blacks murdered on their couches daily. Its fair. For the people that support this shooting.

JBrickley
JBrickley

Watch it again, the gun was dropped behind the couch, the perp reached for it on the top of the couch backrest and it fell behind the couch. The officer fired until the threat was over. That is the training. They had a warrant, this guy was armed and dangerous. It looked like an abandoned building and the perp was squatting. Nothing there but a couch.

guest
guest

i was looking at the phone looking thing in front of him, J DOE gave the timestamp for seeing the actual gun.

RandyWeaverLives
RandyWeaverLives

Yeah, I saw the crooked sounding guilty sounding cop, he talks to his partners like he knows he just did something dirty, I saw that cops left hand suddenly appear in the video next to a handgun as he shows his handgun side by side it, and tells the other cops he has the weapon. Strange that the video is blocked from showing that weapon AS THE COP WALKED UP TO IT, instead of it appearing in the video the exact moment the cop grabs it. From behind the couch.
OK, erase my description of the cop, and erase the cop ass kissers opinions of the cop, just go by the exact video evidence. the gun is shown on video after the murder? So, we can not use the fact that we saw a gun -shown by the officer that did the shooting- never visible before of during the shooting, as a valid reason for murder. We can say if we like, believable or unbelievable, that a gun was found by the suspected shooter, after the shooting, behind a couch, and off camera. We also know that a suspect may have been in this location. Do we remember why someone is called a “suspect”? Anyone? What are the reason we in America call someone a suspect until they are convicted? Anyone? Any reasons or incidents that make it where we call someone a suspect, and not guilty right away? We know a cop shot a guy tons of times when the guy was laying on a couch. Including many shots into the suspects back.
There are many good cops, and their families all get my love as well. We have tens of thousands of good people in law enforcement. —– There are also many bad cops, all the way to the highest level. The cop brigade can come and stand together on cops blowing citizens away, but that doesn’t make them right. An eye for an eye even if this man did this crime, was not death. Severe punishment, but not death.
What is weird is the guy was alone, and obviously didn’t answer the door for the (I suspect and hope provided) warrant….So this one cop, Mr. nervous guilty sounding gleep, just serves a warrant on his own, while his buddies or partners aren’t even there or ready to assist yet? Almost like this was a silencing of a witness perp…hmmmmmm……….Think, 3 cops, one does all shooting then talking, in that order, then late the other two come scampering into scene? What deparment in the world issues a warrant to cop Mcgleep, I mean this is Chicago, they couldn’t have went with a tougher more experienced cop to serve this warrant on a supposed gun toating kidnapping carjacking lunatic? Anyway, so they I guess ask this one nerd cop to undertake this task, and in serving the alleged warrant, nobody answers the door, so the cop comes in shooting? Then goes momentarily off camera after the shooting and finds a gun behind the couch, where he was the first and only cop to look? He found his own evidence to justify his own shooting?
So the P.D captain say’s, No, don’t give this assignment to Mutt, or officer ass kicker, let’s assign this to officer gleep, and gleep goes with only 2 fellow cops, no swat, no detectives, to enforce the warrant himself, and even begins it without the others by his side? Ok. Believable. That captain should get a raise.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

Why are the neegras not able to learn from others mistakes?

Doc McGee
Doc McGee

Why does Randy weaver live?

Me
Me

Ridiculous what if’s and could be’s. You are full of them.

Oh, and you can’t get over race either, even when it has nothing to do with it.

Saywhatagain
Saywhatagain

I guess you missed the cop picking up the gun.

J DOE
J DOE

Check again and pause at 1:07 gun can CLEARLY be seen.

guest
guest

i stand corrected, thanks for the time stamp to see it

JustSomeGuyWhoNoticesThings
JustSomeGuyWhoNoticesThings

Yes, but at 0:40 when he pushes the couch out of the way shouldn’t we see the gun lying there next to that grocery bag plain as day (slow down to .25 to get a nice long look at it)? I won’t discount the possibility that it was at his feet and he accidentally kicked it that way shuffling around or kicked it away from the perp, there is a sort of motion around :46/:47 that might be that very thing as seen through a body cam (both far fetched but possible). From what I see the gun is not there and that definitely warrants an explanation.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

youll get nothing and like it

Dan G
Dan G

So, when the officer stated “I have secured the weapon” he was lying? How much time should an officer give a suspect to comply with the command to “Don’t move!”???

RatedProduct
RatedProduct

One thing that is perfectly clear is that the body camera was in a poor location on the officers person.
Other than that…if an officers says don’t move and you do anything more than show him your empty palms, you’re in deep ca ca.

SILENCER
SILENCER

Wow. 3rd Gen SW Stainless.
5906 maybe?
Old School.

Sid
Sid

Was there a gun there? If so justified.

RandyWeaverLives
RandyWeaverLives

Do you have a weapon near where you sleep? If so, it’s justifiable to shoot you when you sleep?

Me
Me

I do but not lying unholstered on the back of a couch and I certainly don’t reach for it when I am “startled”, as you keep saying he was, or when the police, shouting POLICE, come knocking.

And he was not asleep.

sid
sid

If you go for it, The guy moved, still not clear if that was a gun or not. If it was then justified. If not then IAD will surely sniff it out.

chinaCHINA
chinaCHINA

The use of profanity is completely unnecessary and makes these guys sound more like criminals than cops. Not saying the shooting wasn’t justified but these guys need to remember that if they act like a military force then they should expect military response. Is there any civility left in metropolitan law enforcement nowadays? Even his coworker was cursing at the guy when he was down and out. Very unprofessional and seems to get worse every day.

J DOE
J DOE

**Triggered liberal warning** Seriously harsh language bothered you here? This is Chicago…also known as CHIRAQ. It is a war zone (thanks Democrats). Additionally the guy is a scumbag piece of shit who carjacked and kidnapped two people.

Liberal method to disarm: Pardon me kind carjacker, and excuse the interruption of your nap time. Perhaps it was a late night out ‘working’. Would you pretty pretty please stand still and not reach for that weapon I see over there? That is a fine piece of firepower, I want to commend you on your choice in weapons. I also want to take a moment to compliment the newness of your footwear, and thank you kind kidnapper for your cooperation.

chinaCHINA
chinaCHINA

No – See what you need to consider is that you can’t discretely separate people into two groups, liberal and conservative anymore. We have fractured into a million different groups. I would be willing to bet that if a study were conducted regarding the effectiveness of using the F word when conducting investigations and arrests, it would be concluded that the F word and other profanity has no bearing on a criminals likelihood to obey verbal commands. I also suspect that it would clearly demonstrate that using profanity like these guys did causes significantly more fear and solicits more fear and/or agressive type responses from the target of the language, ie it might actually make a criminal more likely to be agressive vs. complying.

You seem to be forgetting that every person has rights, including a right to due process and is innocent until proven guilty. Why would you curse angrily at an innocent person while pointing a gun at them?

I think you’re the liberal, you just haven’t realized it yet. Or maybe you’re something else even worse, there are so many groups now it’s hard to say. What I do know is that the way these officers were conducting themselves is unprofessional and not appropriate for someone with their level of apparent authority.

Me
Me

Some people only respond to “bad language” if that is how they operate in daily life. Some people only operate with perfect English. The key is to determine who you are dealing with and respond accordingly. I don’t disagree that the language seemed unnecessary, particularly right off the bat, but we saw a snippet of a larger investigation without any of the back story, knowledge, or facts.

Life is often not clean and pretty.

chinaCHINA
chinaCHINA

That is an absolutely defective statement. A gentle answer turns away wrath. There is no excuse for the group of people who are required to maintain the highest level of integrity to speak as if they are criminals using profanity and anger in their words. You can tell someone to get on the ground, LOUDLY, without angrily using profanity. Think about it this way. What if this was a “swatting” situation where someone had reported a kidnapper in the house but in fact it was a hoax. A man, like any freedom loving American is asleep with his trusty pistol nearby, and wakes up to shouting. The officer only said “Police” once and after that it was all profanity. If I regained consciousness from a nap to someone shouting the F word while moving towards me with a gun my first action would be to grab the nearby 10mm and attempt to ventilate that person.

Police are supposed to maintain a high level of integrity and professionalism, no matter what the circumstances. Unfortunately, nowadays, that seems to be rare and IMHO they deserve every bit of hostility directed at them for that. If they want to be treated politely, they should be polite. There are many polite members of law enforcement, and there are way too many who are not. Even just in my limited experience with traffic stops I have encountered mostly unreasonable anger and rudeness when all I was doing was going less than 10 over the speed limit.

If this were a military situation it would be different, in times of war all bets are off, but this officers military behavior is not justified and no police officer should ever act like this.

The officers conduct was certainly not justified and his behavior in this circumstance sure looks like total disregard for due process and sanctioned murder if you ask me… Kidnapper or no kidnapper.

MyBoyJack
MyBoyJack

Seriously? You are complaining about the harsh language?

chinaCHINA
chinaCHINA

No I’m complaining about your boy jack, he needs to stop throwing baseballs through my window.

J DOE
J DOE

1:07 Weapon on floor is picked up by officer. There was a gun, and the suspect was reaching. Scumbag removed AND saved the taxpayers tens of thousands on prolonged criminal ‘justice’ system crap (especially in Chicago). Score 1 – good guys.

Axeman
Axeman

Quick Draw McGraw should have not been so eager to shoot, or so damn scared. Looks like the dude was getting up. The gun was behind the sofa for some reason, or placed there by McGraw. He had the drop on the guy, so why blast him prematurely? Looks like a solid case of chickenshtt

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

looked like dude was rolling off the couch.

Frosty
Frosty

I say good shoot from what I seen. He was told not to move and the bedroom scene from the movie Training Day comes to mind. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Blue Lives Matter
Blue Lives Matter

Good shoot. One bad man gone.

Luke of the D
Luke of the D

Look at 0.07s. The gun is right there on the side of the couch. The suspect knocks it off the couch when the cop enters the room and yells at him. The cop clearly could see the gun and the suspects hand reach for said gun. Then clearly at 1.07s the cop who shot picks up said gun from the floor (which was moved when he shoved away the couch to get it out of his way). The officer was 100% in the right.

I Love Bacon
I Love Bacon

Thank you for your service.

Radio Rahim
Radio Rahim

Homie was doing some serious funky chicken jazz hand sh*t before he went into the light. That’s when you know you got a spinal. Good people don’t get shot by cops. That’s the truth Ruth.

Matt Ridgway
Matt Ridgway

“Good people don’t get shot by cops”? That is absurd!

The Toucher
The Toucher

Name one.

Bunk
Bunk

92 year old Kathyrn Johnston.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

thats crap. She had to have heard the police. Was she deaf? It was a drug raid. They broke down the door, yelled police, and what does she do? Grabs a gun and shoots at them. Subsequently the police shoot her and she dies. wasnt innocent

TikiTiki
TikiTiki

For all the blood thirsty, anti-liberty neocons/globalists/statists on this site, how do you even know that THIS IS THE KIDNAPPER? There have been numerous cases of swatting in the past few months. This seems excessive…at least with the provided info.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

We dont know, The police werent sure either. That is why we as citizens in what we hope to be a peaceful society NEED to understand that police orders MUST be followed even if you are completely innocent. Not sayin all cops are angels, the assholes should be dealt with harshly.

Seabee
Seabee

You are correct in that we must follow their orders, when given the chance. These no knocks don’t give anyone the chance to comply. If you kick in my door I don’t give a s*** who you are I’m at the very least grabbing my weapon, so you’re saying that now gives the police justification to shoot me? The dead guy in this case had no time whatsoever to discern whether these were legitimate police officers or some rival shitbag. How do we know that if given the opportunity the guy would not have complied? The video does not show the police knocking on the door or using a bullhorn to tell him they have a warrant and to surrender. If the police knock on my door and say they have a warrant for me even if I’m innocent I’m going to comply 100% to the best of my ability. But if I’m dozing off on the couch and some a****** kicks in my door I’m reaching for my weapon which means an innocent man just got killed.

Seabee
Seabee

This is exactly the scenario the founding fathers envisioned when they wrote the 2nd 4th 14th Amendments.

Me
Me

Do you realize that no-knocks are used rarely, you have to justify why you feel you need one, and they are used precisely because of the inherent danger posed by the particular suspect? You talk like they are commonplace and they are anything but.

buster
buster

It’s a good thing Joe Biden is not President… obviously, the officer had a magazine in his sidearm capable of holding more than one round.

Me
Me

2 shotgun blasts to scare them off, right? He is such an idiot.

Molly Russell's Wart
Molly Russell's Wart

Cops should not have tattoos. Or let me state that another way: No one with that many tattoos should be a cop. It proves bad judgement.

Me
Me

Sorry, that is irrelevant. Society today is very accepting of them, particularly the younger generation, and it is often a bridge to reach them.

Can’t stand them myself but you disqualify a lot of good people based on an opinion that many many people don’t agree with.

Felix
Felix

Obviously victim is a white hispanic. The cops probably just mistook him for a regular white guy in season.

Hermione
Hermione

All the armchair critics (who themselves have no skin in the game: never have to face danger or threat of severe injury or death) are very quick to criticize law enforcement officers. You can’t take a chance as a LEO… he was told to remain still and show his hands… he chose to disobey an armed LEO and make threatening movements… LEO had no choice but to pull the trigger. That is what I would’ve done. If the guy turns out to be guilty, then all the better… one less sociopath in our country.

Matthew J
Matthew J

AWESOME

Joey5
Joey5

i thought he looked as if he was stoned , and when he saw the cop he took a stoners panik attack – didnt see him go for a gun – fcuk that…….and 4 or 5 shots non stop !!!……….. double fcuk that

.Michael T
.Michael T

I like seeing perps taken down, but this is plain murder by the cop. You can’t whitewash this one.

Mike
Mike

If you pause the video at the 10-11 second mark, you can clearly see that the suspect picked up the gun laying on the edge of the sofa with his left hand. It wasn’t a phone or remote. It was “L” shaped. He was told not to move. He moved and picked up the gun while moving. Case closed. comment image?dl=0

RatedProduct
RatedProduct

Nicely done Mike. Case closed indeed!
I watched thinking he was grabbing a gun from the top of the sofa without ever noticing the piece he had at hand.
Cameras tell only a small part of what what actually occurred. You can be darn sure the officer saw the threat.

Seabee
Seabee

The point is by using a no-knock entry the officer created the threat in the first place.

RatedProduct
RatedProduct

“…the officer created the threat in the first place.”
“…you would have done the exact same thing.”
An embarrassing deficiency in reasoning here.
Have you acquired an even rudimentary understanding of the details of the story?

Me
Me

Did you read about a no-knock recently or what because that is all you can talk about.

Seabee
Seabee

If startled you would have done the exact same thing. So that could be you dead on the floor. guilt or innocents should not be determined by a street cop.

downtoearththinking.com
downtoearththinking.com

Whats the problem here ?

Matt Ridgway
Matt Ridgway

I see a lot of “he had a gun” and “he dropped it behind the couch” and “the cop said clear the gun” and “there was plainly a gun there” but I have watched the video several times and at no time did he have a gun in his hand pointing at an officer. Can someone time stamp that for me? At what point did he draw down? Looked to me like he had the gun in his hand as the cop walked in and quickly threw it behind the couch while doing a rather slow and portly roll off the couch.
I am not a cop but if we’re all chiming in he blasted the shit out of that guy in a way that seemed like there was no other way it was going to play out. There’s all kinds of remotes or little black square things all over in there even if there wasn’t a gun present I’m sure they could say they THOUGHT he had one. Cops proceed on an assumption that’s like “I’m taking no chances, I’m going home tonight” and that mentality, that “if a mistake gets made it’s all part of the job” is too cavalier for me. Cops bust into the wrong house with that attitude and innocent people chilling at home get killed. It happens, more and more, and it’s the training and the idea that one cop life is worth 100 perps and when you’re dealing with recidivist scumbags that’s one thing. When you pull some mouthy mom out of a mini van by her hair screaming in front of her kids that’s fucked I don’t care how mouthy they are.
It’s a fact, police don’t even rank in the 10 ten most dangerous jobs in the country, in fact they barely scrape into the top 20. Stop acting like you’re paroling some middle east shithole and goddammit we’re CITIZENS, NOT CIVILIANS. You are NOT special forces and we are NOT enemy combatants.

Matt Ridgway
Matt Ridgway

You’d all do well to remember that when that man was shot to death he was INNOCENT of all accusations and charges, not a single thing had been proven in a court of law. THAT’S where innocence or guilt is legally established not by some protocol for “justified shooting”.

The Toucher
The Toucher

You’re a moron

Matthew Ridgway
Matthew Ridgway

Well stated, you have put me firmly in my place with your incredibly mature name calling. I will now go and henceforth live in the shame your branding has bestowed upon me.

Maga2020
Maga2020

Hey Moran. Go walk the streets of the Windy City and see whats happens. When a gang member shoots you remember he is innocent until proven guilty. That is what will be on your grave stone Num Nuts

Matthew Ridgway
Matthew Ridgway

I suspect the irony of you not even being able to spell moron OR numb nuts would be lost on you so I won’t bother. So you think if you walk down the street in Chicago some gang member is randomly going to just shoot you? And you call ME a moron?

Maga2020
Maga2020

Thanks Moron and numb nuts. Feel better. By the way there is Mass shootings every weekend in Chicago. The MSM wont report it. Does not fit the narrative. By the way there are random shootings every where.
So yes you could get shot in the Windy City.

Maga2020
Maga2020

Hey Matthew. Hope you are having a good day. No answer to the Mass shootings in Chicago.
Bye
Maga2020.

Maga2020
Maga2020

Hey Matt. Busy watching the clown show on ABC to check in now and then. By the way, did the cast of clowns talk about the mass shootings in the Windy City every weekend.
Thanks
Maga2020

Maga2020
Maga2020

See the problem with you Libs when you hear the truth what no answer.
Typical Dem.

Maga2020
Maga2020

Hey Matt
Did you like the clown show the other day. Not one question on the economy. Why is that Matt.
I know its Odumbo economy not Trumps

Maga2020
Maga2020

Hey Matt.
9 killed in Chicago this week end. I forget how many shot. That is a mass shootings.
Why is your favorite channel CNN not covering this.
Like i said you can be shot anytime in gun free zone Chicago.

Matt Ridgway
Matt Ridgway

I haven’t been to this link in days because I care so little about it and you’re incessant nattering. You assuming I’m a liberal and then posting inane stupidity based on that wrong assumption make you look stupid enough but then your ridiculous misspellings and shattered, nonsensical sentences seal the deal. You aren’t “winning” anything with your badgering, you’re just embarrassing yourself, so just give it up. I made an intelligent point, you obviously disagreed with it now go on with your life man, trust me you aren’t accomplishing anything badgering me. It’s SO STUPID I’m the furthest thing from a liberal, we probably agree on 90% of issues jesus CCN “favorite channel”, clown shows on ABC, you’re attacking me for being everything I despise you’re so DUMB.

Me
Me

What are you babbling about in this post and the one above? In some cities all across this country, it IS just like a ME shithole. There are bad people out there, bud, and those are the ones that the police go after. They play by their own rules and not your little perfect world. YOU are not an enemy combatant but I will bet you are also not a car jacker and kidnapper.
He is innocent of the crime until proven guilty. He chose to escalate right there on the street rather than go to court to fight it where it should be fought. You act like the cop walked in and shot him in the head while he slept. You also firmly plant yourself right next to this dbag and preen while doing so.

Ridiculous.

Matthew Ridgway
Matthew Ridgway

He wasn’t on the street and exactly how did lazy rolling off a couch “escalate” anything? And I can’t even rebut that last sentence because it doesn’t make any sense lay off the hops.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

WTH is a lazy roll? Even if he had been asleep, who “lazy rolls” off a couch to the floor when they are told to not move? Maybe someone reaching for a weapon?

Me
Me

“the street” means in society and not in court. This is where policing can be extremely unsafe, not in a sanitized and weapons free courtroom.

Lazy rolling is your generic term for getting off the couch when told not to move and reaching for a nearby firearm.

” we’re CITIZENS, NOT CIVILIANS. You are NOT special forces and we are NOT enemy combatants.” You are defending the suspect in your posts and comparing yourself to him in this situation. Own it.

Maga2020
Maga2020

Hey Matt
Go vote for H please. Ow right she lost.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

You would do well to remember this video when the police LEGALLY tell you not to move.

Matt Ridgway
Matt Ridgway

And if you move then they are justified in filling you with lead? Hope no one in your family ever finds themselves in that circumstance because human beings tend to do a little thing called “panic” sometimes and they don’t act rationally or might not follow instructions to the letter when someone is screaming and pointing a gun at them. It happens and what we’re getting now is police are putting the burden of danger on the citizen by basically saying they’ll blast the shit out of you if you don’t do exactly what they say when they say it regardless of whether the cop is right or wrong or mistaken they are “going home that night” NO MATTER WHAT and if that means an innocent person get’s killed then it beats them “hesitating’ and getting shot themselves.
I don’t know, damn ME I guess I have to be some bleeding heart liberal POS because I believe that they should be held to a high standard for using deadly force, I guess it’s just my democrat nature that demands accountability and a rational and intelligent approach to sending guys out with handguns, like they should probably be the BEST OF US when it comes to firearms if they’re going to take people’s lives into their hands and have it rest on the light application of a trigger finger that asshole better be at the top of their fucking game and NO LESS, my life and my families life and everyone I care about depend on that.
How can such a collection of random “freedom lovers” and government watchdogs POSSIBLY have a problem with a single word I’ve typed? Guys talk a LOT of shit on here all the time about rights and protecting personal liberty and all that yet hang liberal labels and down vote me for simple common sense? Really?

Seabee
Seabee

100% correct on both your statements Matt

Dornan
Dornan

Wow, shot him in the back, I didn’t see a gun until the other officer went behind the couch.

Me
Me

Absolutely amazing the video doesn’t show everything crystal clear, isn’t it?

/s

Adrian
Adrian

He YELLED VERY LOUDLY…DON’t MOVE. The guy still moved, rolled over, then reached for something. A cop can’t play fortune teller, and has to react with deadly force. There are people out there who can draw a gun, and fire it in the blink of an eye. We’ve all seen that on videos. The cop was in the right. Bad guy dead, Good Cop alive. Win win situation.

Auric
Auric

This is sobering and ugly- but after watching it carefully multiple times I think the guy was armed and clearly flouting the cop’s instruction.
How hard would it be to just freeze still and ask the cop in a reasonable voice to explain why he’s aiming at me. A rational man would speak calmly to the armed cop seeking to defuse the situation and the risk of death. Instead the guy acted like a smart ass and got himself perforated.

larry
larry

plus, he had a cubs jersey on.

Yr Mum
Yr Mum

Looked like a cold blooded murder to me. I’m pro police but yikes. If it’s true that he carjacked people I support the murder

Maga2020
Maga2020

Good guys 1
Bad guys 0

ratrider
ratrider

Try over amped cop 1,.. SUSPECT 0…Suspect=innocent till PROVEN guilty,…Best hope the cops never come to your house at night, kick in your door, shoot you and your family before any one knows what just happened.
When did police officers become judge, jury and EXECUTIONER? I am Pro Police, have assisted local Officer in a tough spot,more than once,… but this is more like military operating in enemy territory,.. anything that moves gets put down….

Bunk
Bunk

Just wait untill the red flag laws kick in. Shoot first, due process later.

Bunk
Bunk

Usually the family pet that gets it first.

Me
Me

Suspect until he disobeyed a lawful (and common sense) order to not move and also went for a nearby firearm. Then the “suspect” of the crime turns it into something else.
He clearly was not shot because of what he was alleged to have done the night before, but for his actions right then and there.

Bunk
Bunk

Yes, cops are airways the good guys sheeple.

xbonesny
xbonesny

Amazing how Chitcongo PD only releases videos of Cops shooting a white dude and not gang bangers…oh that’s right…CPD isn’t allowed to shoot crackhead drug dealing killers

Ke So
Ke So

You don’t do as commanded and have a gun, then you get what happened to this man. Even with a body camera you don’t see everything the officer sees!

Matt
Matt

Did they add that sound effect to make the media think he had a fully automatic handgun? It sounds like Rambo with that noise, completely misrepresents the scene

Surly
Surly

Righteous shooting…. no questions about it.

Next?…………..

Bunk
Bunk

So cops are now judge , jury, and executioner. Can’t wait for the red flag laws to kick in…

tymwltl
tymwltl

If, and I start this with if, the guy hand a gun that looked as if he might use it I’d say he can try to explain that to the Guy at the gate. One word: justified.

blink
blink

Given the recent actions of high level officials, I’m shocked that so many of you have knee jerk level blind faith in any type of government agents. So many of you think it’s ok for cops to shoot anyone that doesn’t follow their orders (legal or illegal) immediately.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

this anyone was suspected of being an ARMED KIDNAPPER on the run. We may be completely innocent, but we wont know when the police are searching for a potential felon that resembles us. This is a reason why we as citizens NEED to understand that police orders should be followed IMMEDIATELY.

H. Bowman
H. Bowman

Looks good to me. The perpetrator wont do that anymore. Saved the taxpayers several million dollars.

Bleedleaks
Bleedleaks

Looks like a Taurus firearm. Gun probably wouldnt have worked. These police should be charged with murder. /s

Adam Ellington
Adam Ellington

If you look to the suspect’s left, it appears the gun is on the cushion next to him. He appears to grab it and drops it on the floor when he is shot.

Jody Wolfe
Jody Wolfe

Good kill. Next….!

Fred
Fred

And thus ultimately his purchase of a Sharper Image “gun” TV remote turned out to be a bad decision. 🙂
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“POLICE!!!”
“Hang on guys, I’ll turn the TV down so we can talk.”
BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!

Robert Cantrell
Robert Cantrell

Don’t Move means exactly that, Don’t Move or suffer the consequences. The same response is justified in any situation regarding a Felon with a record of Violent Crimes and a history of Resisting Arrest, The officers want to go home.

Fred
Fred

Because screaming at a sleeping person and expecting them to follow your orders rather than bolt up startled is completely reasonable. (rolls eyes)

RobofIllinois
RobofIllinois

Used to be a good neighborhood. Once gentrification started in Chicago, the riff raff was moved further west & north destroying once great neighborhoods. The group Chicago used to hang out near there at Riis Park. Was mostly an Italian area. What a shame.

terry zelk
terry zelk

Well, that officer save the taxpayers a whole bunch of cash snuffing the scum bag. He won’t be car jacking any more.